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they did have kale chips at whole foods. this is a kale chip. i'm going to try a kale chip. so, they say it's good to try new things and now i can say for sure, kale is definitely a thing. so now let us move on on the ridiculist. outfront" starts now newton leroy gingrich. will it stick in a missing nom florida. disappeared the same day she appeared on the people's court. her sister comes "outfront." the real surge nearly 500 points. let's go "outfront." i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight. breaking news, markets surges big time around the world
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wherever you look. the dow posting its best day in more than 2 1/2 years with a rocking 490-point gain. that puts the dow back in positive territory for the year. above 12,000, which is a psychologically very important level for the 401(k)'s in this country. the s&p and nasdaq up more than 4% as well. why? well, it began with america's top economic man ben bernanke, bailing out europe which is on the verge of bringing down the economy. former new york stock exchange floor trader, obviously, it was ben bernanke working with other central bank chiefs around the world. this is europe-related? >> this is definitely europe-related. there's more to today's move than just that but the driver was clearly futures were roaring very, very early, as a direct result of ben bernanke, the federal reserve's move to effectively lower the cost of gaining access to u.s. dollars. why? because u.s. dollars, that's the
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world's reserve currency. that's what the euro zone needs for their banks and financial institutions to provide a liquidity to tighten sovereign debt spreads. >> i remember in 2008, everybody was saying this was a crucial moment. we look at europe, the whole world put in a position where we were when lehman brothers collapsed. we remember what a terrible fall that was. >> right. >> one thing i remember about that was we had up days of 600 points and down days of 600 points. i'm wondering how much you can read into today. >> this is definitely a period of historic uncertainty. there's no question that this volatility drives confidence out of the market, drives participants out of the market and it's generally not good for market psychology. but an up day is clearly better than a down day and today was a 2 1/2 year high in terms of swing to the upside. so it's quite positive. the question is, can we build on it? >> what do you think? what's your bottom line? you've been pretty optimistic, peter. >> i have been optimistic. i do think we can build on it for several reasons. the shopping season is off to a
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great start. employment has largely stabilized. in fact we got data today that speaks to the fact not only that, it's modestly improving. firings are down, adp report, 50% better than expected. friday's labor department numbers should be better than expected based on the adp numbers we saw this morning. the tone is improving. >> yes. >> and if it continues to improve, can we move higher? yes. >> peter kenny, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> peter, of course, referring is challenger an adp, different measures of jobs in america and the fact that we are creating jobs. the european news is crucial. but it comes and goes. don't get too excited about any one thing there. at home, three really important things happen that should make americans happier. one, peter referred to it. u.s. added more than 200,000 jobs. two, home sales jumped most in over a year. and three, business confidence. america's manufacturing zone, heart of where we make things in this country popped. earlier i talked to the director of the economic council, gene
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sperling, and asked him his reaction. >> it's always nice to see the market going up and seeing confidence strengthen. our fundamental focus is on making sure we have the type of growth over the next 12 or 18 months to make sure that we are seeing job creation that will start bringing the unemployment rate down and the concern obviously, erin, is that with growth projected only a little over 2% right now, if we don't get something like the payroll tax cut that the president's proposing now, it could be a real hit for our economy. so that's why our number one focus is focusing on what we can do, which is cut payroll taxes in half for every worker, every small business, private sector estimates said that could mean an additional 600,000 to a million jobs next year. that's critical in helping us dig out of this great recession that we're still recovering from. >> it's a popular tax. both sides of the aisle,
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everybody likes it. paying for, another issue. let me ask you two questions on that. one, the costs i've seen are $110 billion, $115 billion to provide that payroll tax relief. that's money that isn't going into funding social security, which is what that tax is intended to do. are you willing to write that into legislation we'll find that money because now it's two years and it's a popular tax cut, you know, hey, could be years before we start put money back in that social security fund. >> so let's be very clear. the way that this tax cut happened in this year and we're proposing next year would be that you would absolutely, by law, strict policy, every penny would be replaced with social security trust fund. would not hurt social security one penny. >> where would it come from? >> you transfer from general revenues to make sure that you are not doing anything to hurt social security. the way the president's proposed this right now is that we would raise enough money to pay for this so that it would not affect general revenues or affect the social security trust fund, and
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we do that by asking the 300,000 americans who make over a million dollars to pay just a little bit more in the future and that money is then used to give a tax cut to every small business in this coming year and every worker. >> are you going to keep putting forth, though, surcharges of a percent here or there to pay for your agenda on those same people? >> we've put forward our budget and we've -- this is the only thing that we have in our budget that is on high income people that pay for this initiative. but we do call for not extending the most high tax cuts for the most high income americans preserving those for those who make under $250,000. but the key, erin, is just the balance. that we need -- you need in fiscal discipline a grand compromise. we know what that means. it means that we are going to have to cut spending
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significantly. it is going to mean sacrifice for many americans. >> one final thing, gene. looking at the bush tax cuts, i'm curious how you see this. if you let them go away for those who make over $250,000 and have them revert to the higher rates, you raise about $670 billion, $680 billion. if you let them go away for everyone, you raise $2.8 trillion. that's a lot of money. and i'm wondering how you intellectually get around the fact that raising it on the high end might help a little bit but it doesn't get you anywhere near as much money. >> that's why you need a balanced package. that's why the package the president put forward called for $2 in spending cuts for every dollar that you have in revenues. it needs to be a balanced package. we don't think putting that whole burden on the middle class makes sense through spending cuts or medicare cuts or education cuts. if we're doing revenue, we think it make most sense to ask those who have done the best in the economy over the last ten years
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to pay a little more as opposed to taking away tax relief from working families working hard and struggling still in this economy. >> gene sperling, thank you so much, as always. >> thank you. >> "outfront" next, newt gingrich or newt leroy gingrich. i love that's his full name. he's getting ready to hold a slice the deficit pizza party in iowa. will he stay number one ins polls? a developing story involving mindy mccreaddie. reports she violated custody and kidnapped her son. she produce him or face consequences.
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time now for the political play with none other than our own john avalon. john. >> >> how are you, erin? the political play of the day is the inevitability fail. this idea that mitt romney's campaign has been the inevitable nominee took a major ding this week. romney has gotten a lot of bad
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news. horses are spooked and you can see that in an interview he did last night. let's take a look. >> brett, i don't know how many hundred times i've said this too. this is an unusual interview. all right. let's do it again. absolutely. what we did in massachusetts was right for massachusetts. you're wrong, brett. no, no. bret, new york the tape out there -- continue to read the tape. >> the normally unflappable mitt romney was rattled last night and there's good reason for it. let take a look at some of the polls in key states. first of all, iowa, newt gingrich up 27 to mitt romney's 20. he said he'd play there two weeks ago might be regretting that decision. new hampshire, this has been mitt romney's stronghold. after union leader support, he's to 27 to newt 31. now south carolina, social conservative strong hole new york surprise here, newt gingrich, 33, mitt romney, 21. now to the big one, florida. this is where it comes together in the republican primary.
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in a new poll out, it shows newt gingrich 41% to mitt romney's 17%. no amount of congressional endorsements can take away this sting. the romney campaign has a real problem. let's look at some of the trends behind the numbers. this is the presidential and positive intensity index that gallup does, tells the whole story. midsummer, newt gingrich's campaign was as good as dead. mitt romney riding the high. this fall, like lazarus, the highest of any supporter, while mitt romney had his lowest mark on record at precisely the wrong time. look, this does kind of bring to mind the hillary campaign in 2008. remember, she was the inevitable nominee. she all the smart money on her. she has endorsements but it didn't come together at the end of the day because she didn't see barack obama rising until it was too late. look, in politics, as in sports, the best defense is a good offense. if there's one thing we've learned in presidential politics, nothing is inevitable. erin? >> it's pretty amazing when you look at that. by the way, newt gingrich sliced the deficit pizza party.
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in council bluffs, iowa. has now begin. let's bring in republican strategic and democratic strategist maria cardona. i want to start with you. hillary clinton was hit by this. everybody thought she was inevitable candidate. she didn't see barack obama until it was too late. what can newt gingrich learn learn from hillary clinton? >> i think he has been taking some great lessons and some great notes, which is never assume anything. i think john is right that mitt romney could be in trouble because he's been running from the beginning as if he's owed this. as if this is his for the taking. and that's exactly the wrong position to take, believe me, i know. what you need to do is run as an underdog from the very first day you jump into the campaign. no matter where you think you are, no matter what the polls say. that's the only way that you're going to run successfully if that's where you're going to go ultimately, because that means that you're not going to take anything for granted.
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again, to john's point, that's exactly right. you can never take anything for granted. a day is a lifetime in politics. anything can happen. you need to be prepared. >> rich, you served as newt gingrich's press secretary when he was the house republican whip, also a communications director when he was speaker of the house. do you think that newt can hold this? so many talk about his propensity to cut himself off at the knees. >> well, there is that, but we don't know. >> there is that. >> it's true. we've seen it three or four times. let me make a couple of points about what everybody has said. one, that if you would have had the same conversation at about the same point in the rise of not so much bachmann but certainly perry and then again cain, it looked like the same thing. suddenly, romney was in second place and what was going to happen was going to happen. that's number one. number two is the hillary comparison doesn't work unless a john edwards type also joins the top three.
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so far, there's always been a top two, romney and somebody. four years ago, it was john edwards that really zapped hillary's strength. in iowa, as an example in the caucuses, barack obama won with 38% of the vote. so 62% of democrats wanted somebody else. hillary and edwards split that 30/30. if either one jumped ahead of the other -- >> it would have been completely different. the hillary comparison doesn't work as well as we like to think it because somebody thought of it. >> here's why i think it matters. this high stakes game of musical chairs, newt gingrich is in the right seat at the right time. at this point in the campaign -- >> even if he comes down, you're at a point, a month away. >> riding this out. with five weeks out from iowa. and here's the other thing. at this point in the game, these polls are not simply snapshots of a horse race. they indicate real trend and the gravity is taking a toll on the romney campaign while newt gingrich is getting wind in his sails at precisely the right
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time. >> i have no idea why you're saying that. it doesn't make any sense. >> closer to the actual polling date and primary date are the ones that matter. in the summer, it's academic. it's a snapshot. >> florida -- let's take -- it's not until january 31st. you have two months to go. >> you think mitt romney is happy with these numbers? >> no. of course, everybody wants to be first. to flatly state that romney is done for is just foolishness. >> he's not done for, of course not, rich. >> what about what john was saying about new hampshire. where mitt really was the presumptive nominee, he had such a lead. now it's almost, not quite, but almost within the margin of error. >> if we're going to talk about polling, here what happens you have to do. with political polls, you have to -- first of all, you can't take one poll and try to draw a graph. you don't know where the lines will go. take a couple of polls. you throw out the high one and the low one. like figure skating scores in the olympics. you knew the east germans and french were cheating so you threw them out and what's in the
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middle is left. do i think romney is going to beat gingrich in new hampshire? i don't think so. >> i didn't know the french were cheaters, the germans i knew. i learn something new every day. >> here's the point, no one has said that romney is out of this. but he is in trouble because of two things. first, he has not been able to go above the 25% ceiling and reason is because conservatives do not trust him. he has been a major flipflopper on not just one, not just two, but every single major issue that is facing this country today. what has been so flabbergastingly surprising to me is that know contender as of now -- and i think newt gingrich will go after this -- has been able to take advantage of the flipflops. there are things on the record that mitt romney has said that is complete polar opposite of the mitt romney four years ago.
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and if you're a voter, do you not want the person who is representing you without a core value. >> it is interesting, though, when you look at personal lives, and who is the most conservative? clearly, you look at newt gingrich and mitt romney. it would be mitt romney. >> mitt romney has had an impeccable personal life. the only poll that matter is is election day. the trend is not mitt romney's trend. the aura of inevitably is off. he knees to star playing offense. >> timing is everything. >> and he has started doing it. i absolutely agree. they have data that agrees with you that they need to get out in front of this. >> all right. thanks to all three of you. the bottom line, people like an underdog. maybe mitt romney's trend going down will help him, who knows? tonight newt is at the pizza pie slice the deficit party. eating pizza and not ripping off the cheese, like mitt romney. all right. country singer mindy mccready could be facing trouble. a florida judge has ordered her to produce her son zander by tomorrow or face consequences. the problem is that mccready says he's not missing. her publicist says the boy's been with her for the past
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month. the other problem is she doesn't have legal custody. that's the issue of defining missing. her parents have custody. >> after a surprise visit by the department of children and families, the boy was nowhere to be found. we invited ms. mccready to come out front. her publicist tells us she's pregnant with twins and is resting. we want to bring in legal analyst jeffrey toobin on this. thanks for weighing in. mccready says she's in a legal battle to get her son back and her publicist says since january of 2011 she's been desperately advising the court that he's in danger, physically and emotionally and as a direct result of being a mother, ms. mccready took action to ensure her son's safety. what do you make of this case? >> well, obviously it's a family mess. mccready cannot do this. if a court says her parents have custody, her parents have custody. she can go court to try to get that changed but the law does not allow you to have self-help to have you decide that your
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child belongs somewhere differently than with what the court said. she legally if she's defying this court, is clearly in the wrong. >> what consequences should she be facing or could she be facing? i will note there's been no amber alert. >> right. they apparently know where the child is. but it's not -- the child is not with the people he's supposed to be with. the legal custody -- the legal ramifications can range. worst case, she could be charged with kidnapping. i think that's very unlikely. a judge will ultimately get this case again about custody and the judge will say, look, you defied the court, i'm going to take that into consideration in deciding whether to give custody to you. it's important to remember, mccready was just on celebrity rehab. she's had a lot of drug problems she's had issues involving addiction. so it's not surprising or it's less surprising that the court
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took custody away from her in the first place. it's a sad story and it's a mess. you can't leave it up to a parent when the parent has had a court take custody away. >> jeff toobin, thank you very much. protesters storming the british embassy in tehran. we showed you the pictures. today, a big story, britain, france, germany, the netherlands recalling ambassadors from iran. is war coming? a mom goes missing the same day she appeared on people's court. her sister out front with new information. it's hump day. you know what that means. it's next. ♪
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for today's story we go to scotland where the economy's in desire straits. it's so bad that they've had to cut $77 million from social services budget. that's meant closing rural proim mary schools, cutting back on classroom assistants and shutting down library hours. it's been a big problem. one thing that they're not cutting. that is the camels. the community council voted 11-1 to spend about $1500 on three camels for the town's nativity parade. as you can imagine, a few people weren't so happy about this decision. including the one town council member who voted against it. she said quote, of the 11 counselors i was the only one to express disquiet.
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as everyone wells was clearly in favor, there was no point in pushing to a vote. not helping the camels public relations cause, the $1500 is the exact same amount of money that was going to go to a quiet space for autistic children in one of aberdeenshire's schools. in defense of the camel, the promise of live camels at the parade could increase attendance. think of all the kids that get to see a live camel. more attendance means more money, and that means a stronger economy for aberdeenshire. you're probably wondering why i went to the zoo for a story about a nativity in scotland. here's why. >> so his name is joshua. joshua. >> not a coincidence. josh worked a few nativity scenes himself. >> and they said he'd love to go to scotland. it shouldn't have to be the camels or social services. make a donation to the charity on behalf of our friend, josh.
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we fine the "outfront" five. first markets. when a day. nearly 500 points high, best gain for the dow in more than 2 1/2 year. it began with the top economic man, ben bernanke teaming up with other central banks. it wasn't all europe. good news at home too. more than 200,000 jobs added in america, home sales jumping by the most in over a year. and business confidence in our manufacturing heartland rising. former floor trader peter ken nr came "outfront" and says he thinks we can bill on this because people have been spending money this holiday season. number two, evangelist billy graham admitted to a north carolina hospital today. he's under evaluation and treatment of his lungs. the hospital added graham was treated in may for pneumonia. they issued a statement saying, while no date is set for discharge, mr. graham is looking forward to returning home to spend the upcoming chris plas holidays with his family. >> number three, something that
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matters to a lot of americans, lipitor lost its patent today. that means generic versions can be sold. 17 million people are prescribed lipitor. the drug brought in $5 billion in u.s. revenue alone last year. fizer analysts told "outfront" sales will decline by 50% at the end of the year. as much as 80% next year and that the generic lipitor will cost you a lot, lot, lot less money. number four, 110,000 jobs will be added in november. that's what 21 economists predicted to us ahead of friday's jobs report. based on their estimates, the unemployment rate would stand changed at 9%. it's been 117 days since the u.s. lost the top credit rating. what are we going to get it back? today's rise in the dow might not upgrade us. positive economic news can. an economy that's growing will take away nearly 40% of our deficit, according to some estimates. that will help. is iran heading to war?
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france, britain, germany, netherlands all recalling ambassadors from iran today, this in reaction to hundreds of iranian protesters attacking the compound in tehran on tuesday. that attack came on the heels of the uk slapping tough economic sanctions on iran. >> i've often said in the past, while the possession of nuclear weapons by iran would be a calamity for the world, it's quite possible that military action against iran would be calam itus. >> robin wright is out front tonight. she's the author of rage and rebellion across the islamic world. robin, calamity to have conflict. is that the direction that the world is heading? >> no. i don't think we're anywhere close to a military conflict. i would be surprised if we see military action before the election next year. i think the world is really still trying to figure out a diplomatic solution. in light of what's happened. diplomacy will be more complicated.
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the fact that the europeans are standing together against iran and probably imposing tougher sanctions in the next few weeks is likely to exacerbate the tensions. this is only the opening chapter in this confrontation. >> what do you think about israel, the rhetoric that's come out of israel regarding potential military intervention and bombing nuclear sites? will they do it or is that really all talk? >> israel feels an existential threat from iran because of the suspected nuclear program. but i think that the united states is likely to use as much restraint as it can, as much pressure as it can to prevent israel from taking any military action. after all, we haven't reached the point where there is abundant and provable evidence that iran has an active nuclear weapons program. much less that it achieved the threshold required to test or use a nuclear weapon. that's according to almost every intelligence estimate still, you know, a year or three years
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whatever away. >> i guess it doesn't sound that far. but obviously a year has an election and other things as well. robin, thanks for coming on. >> thank you. more legal troubles for jerry sandusky. the former penn state football coach hit with his first civil suit by a man who claims sandusky sexual lay bused him more than 100 times between 1992 and 1996. the unidentified alleged victim is not, not one of the original eight boys that we have been talking about. sandusky has been charged with sexually abusing in the criminal case. like the others, this boy met the coach through his charity, second mile. he was 10 years old. sandusky continues to deny all allegations. marcy hamilton is one of the lawyers representing the alleged victim in this civil case. can you tell us more about your client and what happened to him? >> well, john doe a, his name in this case, had never told a soul about the abuse until he heard about the grand jury report, and as soon as he learned that there were other victims, he was horrified.
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he felt terrible that he might have been responsible for other children being abused. and so he resolved to come forward and he's really mostly interested in revealing what was really going on at penn state and second mile and why were all these kids in such dangerous positions. >> marcy, obviously the allegations of your client saying what happened with jerry sandusky, it was more than a decade ago. why did he wait so long to come forward? >> it's very typical for child sex abuse victims to not tell anybody or not until middle age respect to our client, he was threatened by sandusky in '96 when he tried to repel sandusky's advances and was told by sandusky that he would be in trouble and his family would be threatened if he didn't give in
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to sandusky. he took that to heart and he kept the secret all these years. >> does he have any evidence or all -- as you said, at least as we've reported your suit says, there are at least a hundred times where he was abused by jerry sandusky. does he have anything or anyone to corroborate that? >> well, he has all the witnesses at all the events that sandusky took him to. he was taken to penn state to the wrestling room, to the showers. he was taken to -- on trips. he was brought to philadelphia, which is why we brought the lawsuit in philadelphia. he was taken to a bowl game. so all the things that sandusky is known to have been doing with other children in that grand jury report are described in this report and for this survivor, it was four very intense years that started out with grooming with presents, with attention, with promises of football success, and a kid who
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really needed this kind of, a leader and a loving man in his life. that's what he got. but at the same time, he got a predator. and he suffered for it ever since and he's finally coming forward. >> what has happened to his life? i mean, obviously, these kinds of things are horrible and can completely ruin someone's life. how would you say it's affected his life as an adult, in his career, ho much has this damaged him? >> well, we're still -- we're protecting him and his anonymity because he is just coming out after all these years. it's very difficult to do. but like any other survivor, he has had his challenges, he's had problems with depression and the sorts of things that happen naturally when someone goes through this and hold a secret for so long. he's now feeling better.
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feels like a weight is off his shoulders. he's moving in the right direction. >> marci, thanks so much for coming "outfront" and sharing this story. >> thank you. thousands of public sector works go on strike in britain. the sis terse of florida's missing mom comes "outfront" with developments in that case. oh, what do you hunt? deer. fish. fantastic. ♪ this holiday, chevy's giving more. now qualified buyers can get 0% apr for 72 months on a 2011 chevy silverado. or 0% apr financing for 60 months plus no monthly payments until spring. ♪ this was the gulf's best tourism season in years. all because so many people came to louisiana... they came to see us in florida... make that alabama... make that mississippi. the best part of the gulf is wherever you choose...
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workers are striking over pension reforms. erin mclaughlin is in london. what happened today? >> erin, the public sector strike actions that took place throughout london today appeared to have gone off relatively peacefully. dozens of protesters from the occupy london movement stormed an office building belonging to one of the major companies within the ftse 100. they said the action was in solidarity with the public sector workers. just one more sign of growing discontent mere in london, erin. >> thank you. next to myanmar, hillary clinton arrived today. u.s. secretary of state has not visited that country in over 50 years. jill doherty is on the phone with us. why is she there? >> caller: erin, there's a new president here and surprising steps toward economic and political reform. secretary clinton says that she is here to test the seriousness of the government. one major sign of that reform is that the government has been
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talking with a nobel peace prize winner. she was held in detention for almost two decades. secretary clinton has spoken with her by phone and now they're going to have a face-to-face meeting. erin. >> jill, thank you. that should be amazing. now to iraq, vice president biden is meeting with iraqi officials and departing members of the military. american troops gone by the end of the year. martin savage is in baghdad tonight. what's biden's message been so far? >> reporter: erin, vice president biden is here in the country, one, to talk to the iraqi leadership, and also to speak to the critics in the united states. the message in both cases the same, u.s. forces may be pulling out but the support of the u.s. government remains strong. he would say it's a new chapter in that relationship. erin? thank you, martin. it's been almost two weeks since 33-year-old michelle parker disappeared in orlando, florida. as investigators continues searching today, a judge ruled her three-year-old twins must be
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returned to their father. just two days after police named dale smith a suspect. >> after numerous tips and investigative leads, we are officially naming dale smith the ex-fiance, as the primary suspect in the disappearance of michelle parker. >> you refer to smith as the ex-fiance. he had been engaged to parker. they had an on/off relationship that began in 2006. now, it ended with a humiliating exchange over a $5,000 engagement ring on the tv show "the people's court." the ruling was that they had to split the cost in half $2,500 each. coincidentally, she disappeared the same day she aired. police did not name smith a suspect at first, that changed on monday, as you saw. michelle parker's sister, matt morgan a lawyer for the family. they're both "outfront" with us tonight. thanks to both of you for coming out tonight.
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lauren, were you surprised the judge awarded custody of the kids to dale smith just days after we just heard police call him a suspect in this case? >> i was -- it was an emotional experience throughout the entire thing. i mean, i was somewhat surprised just because the twins have for the past year and a half lived at my mother's house where michelle was living also. so, yeah, i was. >> and what would you say to michelle if she's watching tonight or if she can see you now? >> just that i love her and we're fighting for her and her voice right now. i won't let her down. >> matt, what are you going to do to help the family find her? >> erin, at this point in time, we're working closely with defense counsel and we're trying to come to an agreement for visitation for the children and lauren's mother and the family.
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and so we are -- we are hopeful that an agreement will be done soon. >> lauren, let me try to understand a little bit about how your family sees dale, your sister's ex-fiance. your mother was seen hugging him in court today, by my understanding. how is his relationship with your family? >> it's been very up and down. you know, just like his relationship with michelle was. obviously, she's my sister. so we're sisters. we talk. of course, i'm going to kind of not like the person who has hurt her in the past in whatever way it may be. i think, with the whole hug thing that happened, those grandchildren, that's still their father. if god forbid this come out and everybody points the finger one way and then it turns out it wasn't him and we lose those kids, you know, forever, we still need to have a good relationship and everything like that.
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she wanted him to know in her heart of hearts, she's praying for the best outcome for all of us for this. >> lauren, you mentioned abuse. what can you tell us about abuse in this case and physical abuse? i know there had been a domestic violence injunction that your sister filed against dale back two years ago. >> as far as that goes, i myself, i mean, there's things that have happened before. i mean it's been talked about already as well as in his record and everything like that and things that she talked about with me. i always saw the day after or talked to her a couple of hours after when she would call me crying or something like that, about what happened. i mean, as far as that goes, i never actually saw it like with my own two eyes, anything physical, at least. >> i want note for viewers we did invite dale smith on the show, and he obviously did not come on. matt, what are you going to do
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from here? is there anyone else that you or from talking to lauren or others in the family, that you think could be a suspect, or is your view that dale is the person who is responsible for her absence? >> well, at this point in time, we're letting the police take care of the investigation. we're staying out of that area. so our focus really is on the rescue efforts for michelle. and so we'll be coming forward soon with a way for the public to donate to a trust which will be set up for the rescue efforts for michelle as well as a trust for the children and that should be completed by friday. but other than that, just trying to get visitation for the grandparents and for lauren and her family. >> lauren, before we go, have you seen the children? how are they doing? >> yeah. i got to see them last night. i can honestly say, in the past couple of days, seeing them were the first tears i've had fall from my eyes and they were tears of joy. i love those two more than anything, as well as my older nephew. i was in the day that each one
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of them were born and i've been with them, you know, for the twins, the past 3 1/2 years and the past 11 1/2 years and took them to mcdonald and we played with blocks and stuff like that. i was happy for that. that was a short amount of time that i got to see them, but that i got to. >> thanks very much to both of you. >> thank you. politico white house correspondent mike allen has written a new book about what really goes on behind the scenes of a political campaign. he's "outfront" next with all of the juicy, salacious, exciting details including mitt romney and chicken. [ adrianna ] when i grill lobster, i make sure
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so have you ever wondered what goes on in the campaign trail what kinds of weird quirks the candidates have, what they eat, what they talk about on the plane? mike allen has all of the secrets. you may know him as the man behind the must-read politico e-mail, the one that hits the boxes of washington power brokers and news junkies early every morning, including saturday and sunday. mike allen is the chief white house correspondent for politico and he's the co-author of the new book, the right fights back. i spoke with mike and asked him first to divulge a good secret about mitt romney. >> mitt romney, who is known as being so stiff, turns out he's even stiff when he eats. >> it's true. it's not like guess what he's a
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joker? >> right. they say that he likes to eat pizza but pulls the cheese off a very ascetic approach to eating pizza. >> yes. >> and he has a secret fast-food vice, kfc. >> kfc. >> if you're mitt romney -- >> i'm glad to hear he's got vices. >> wait. if you're mitt romney and you've got nice juicy kfc? what do you do? takes off the kin. >> no. >> it's the good part. >> you just ruined. you talk about turkey breast, rice, broccoli, chased by at water, a diet coke. >> they say he's so intense about work outs, when he's on the road if he can't get into a gym, he'll run around in the halls. >> rick perry, a totally different story in some ways. he tooked to fund-raisers, people on the planes with rick perry, what's he like? >> well, you saw with your own eyes that he wasn't prepare ford the debate. now we know why. one of his former aides he used to travel with him told us when
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he was on the plane rather than doing debate prep or digging into the briefing book he'd tell jokes, fraternity-type jokes, sometimes involving animals, fool around on his i pad, look at family pictures. he's having fun on the road but has homework left to do. >> fund-raiser you said never saw him read a paper, newspaper clips. but jennifer or angle lean? >> he went with jennifer aniston. >> mitt romney, people -- he's going to like this is in your book. notorious cheapskate. >> it's true. >> for a very rich man. >> one of his relatives told us if he gets a glove, if he -- something torn he'll take duct tape and fix it, this is a multi millionaire, whereas his family members said he would get a new one. >> but what about you? see, the thing i'm curious about is you, mike allen.
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i wake up every morning to you. >> very kind. >> which is like everybody that i know. >> very kind. >> and you've -- you've created a market for inside information and what's breaking that day. here's what i want to know. what's mike allen like? do you sleep? >> i eat my pizza with cheese. i eat the chicken skin on. i throw away my gloves. but we're a very appreciative for you and others who read politico play book. the tway started, it was an e-mail that i sent to my bosses and it just said to jim and john, here what's in the papers today, here what happens we missed, here's what we should cover today. john harris has a big mouth and told howard wolf son at clinton campaign now with the mayor here, he wanted a copy and the mccain campaign wanted a copy and the white house and cnn and it got around and we're grateful to have the community that we wake up together. the idea is, if you could read a thousand stories, which five
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would you want to read? we try to find them for you. >> it is amazing anceer my question. how many hours do you sleep? >> not enough. i need -- six is what you need. we get up, as you know, it doesn't come out the same time i get up at 2:00ing 3:00, something like that. i try to go to bed right after your show. >> hugely successful don't need a lot of sleep. great to see you. >> this was fun. >> tomorrow, richard branson, virgin flying to the skies, flying to outer space. he comes "outfront" and on that note piers morgan. >> tonight, the cain train runs off the rails. >> there is a character assassination against me. >> and two other men that want to be our next president, ron paul and rick santorum on the economy, jobs, and who stands to